Topic: The Jazz bar

[MothDude!]

i want kids because i want to be a part of creating life and i want to have an impact on someone and i want somthing to be left behind when i die i just love the idea of having children and have always wanted them also i want to always have a huge family like i do now and the only way i can keep my family huge is if me my bros and sis and cousins all have kids and there kids have kids that would be great!

[Meilinrose]

I'm not sure, I think I'd want kids but knowing the kind of devotion they'd need leaves me in doubt that maybe I could provide it, or at least show my overwhelming love enough to them. I can be very maternal at times, and like I said I'd love to have children - but I guess you never know what kind of parent you're going to be until you are one, right? And besides, I *would* want them to have a regular nuclear family but getting onto the topic of marriage...

For me, a marriage has to be completely and utterly open and trusting and I really don't know if I will ever be able to make everything about me accessible to another person. If I find the right person then maybe, but there's also a part of me that would be perfectly happy to live alone for the rest of my life - contributing to society in general in another way than providing children, maybe though research or something. Using languages to connect people, using science to truly make a difference to people's lives - there are lots of ways you can contribute to the pattern of life without creating it yourself. I think Liz has known how I can feel about this sort of thing when I get *too* deep into myself >_>

What are other people's thoughts about marriage and these sorts of things?

[Froggie chan]

It may not seem it but the idea of marriage scares me a hell of a lot. I cant see myself commiting to one person for eternity it seems a little far-fetched in this day and age.
I guess that its possible though, to have a happy marriage forever...
Whether I ever get married i really dont know I'll have to see what happens in the future, its one of those things i dont often think about.

[Meilinrose]

I cant see myself commiting to one person for eternity it seems a little far-fetched in this day and age.
I guess that its possible though, to have a happy marriage forever...

Naturally it's possible, many people have managed it. What about the concept seems far-fetched in this day and age?

[Froggie chan]

Ypu just have to look at divorce rates to see why many people these days see a why perfectly happy marriage in the eyes of a teenager would seem afr fetched.

[Meilinrose]

I guess so, but you could argue that the increasing divorce rates are due to more and more people just rushing into marriage. Because of so many teenagers losing their virginity while young and all that, marriage isn't seen as quite the special bond it used to be and so people might not think so carefully about it. And like you said, people look at the increasing amount of 'failed' marriages and feel that the same will happen to them which in turn might influence the next generation...

(Sorry if my last comment sounded a bit dweeby, I was in a really bad state of mind o_o)

[Froggie chan]

I can see what you mean, I guess in a sense everything that used to be an imporatant part of peoples lives nowadays we're more laided back about them. I'd say that the lack of religion has a very large to play in that.

(sorry theres not much.. im in a hyper mood and i cant word things properly >_<)

[Maki-chan]

I think that it came up in a different topic that human beings by nature are selfish. We survive by looking after ourselves, but applying that principle to marriage, very simply, results in divorce. Concepts like discipline, ethics, morals, and philosophy are learned behaviors. We are not born with a sense for any of these and most learn these things and learn to apply them to our lives. It requires a conscious effort to do so, whereas human nature just happens and we have to fight against it to prevent it. Thus committing ourself to another person, to put them first and ourself second is contrary to human nature. We must constantly make an effort to keep the committment going and to make a marriage last. The alternative - to stop working on it - is of course much easier and if we allow human nature to take over, we simply become lazy take the easy way out - divorce.

[Moshman^]

Aye, I agree.
Being religous myself, I have a self-pride in keeping my commitments. Religion is important.

[Maki-chan]

All of my friends were swallowed by toilets, now I'm all lonely ... T_T

[Cirdan]

Hey I'm still here!

*Gets Swallowed by toilet*

[Maki-chan]

Eeeep! Noooooo!!

*Grabs Kamui-kun's hand and pulls him back out.*

There ... that's betters. ^_^ Now I should go find Framer I think and maybe we can have the board back they way it used to be, a looong time ago ... in a Galaxy far, far away ...

[Haggis-chan]

Hmm... I seem to have a lot of rubbish in my toilets this week somehow... x_x;;

[Maki-chan]

Ooooh, teh Haggis is back too! Mmmm, yummiess! ^_^ Maybe we can get the rest of them out of the toilets too?

[Haggis-chan]

Well, I have been trying... They've blocked up my pipes!
*hands MJ a pair of rubber gloves*

Now we can fish them all out! ^o^